A Treaty or a Constitution
A treaty is an agreement between nation states or independent actors, if you prefer, a treaty is only applicable as long as each state agrees to the conditions, if they do not, they may withdraw or renegotiate.
A Constitution is very different in that it sets up a state, defines the rules of that state, legalises and gives authority to the government of the state, so it is fundamental to the state. It is if you wish an agreement between the people and the rulers on the powers of the government, it has nothing to do with international agreements between states.
I will give you that the EU “Treaty to establish a Constitution†is a contradiction in the terms I have just outlined, which is why I asked my MP to explain how a treaty can be used to establish a Constitution. He wrote to Dennis MacShane who replied…
“if agreed (the Constitution) would be a treaty between nation states that establishes a constitution for an organisation of which they are membersâ€
Yet if you look at the Constitution, you will see that it refers to the people:
“Grateful to the members of the European Convention for having prepared
this Constitution on behalf of the citizens and States of Europe. Who, having exchanged their full powers, found in good and due form, have agreed as followsâ€
“On behalf of the Citizens†implies that the citizens themselves are fully in accordance and freely give their sovereignty as authority to the EU.
Without the full backing of the people, this could be used, at a later date to argue that the people were not consulted and therefore the Constitution is illegal and does not stand. With a referendum that argument is nullified, which is why I say, is probably the reason we are being offered a referendum.
Citizenship, this itself defines a state, you cannot be a citizen of a non-state, however we have been given citizenship of the EU, which in law is not possible, yet we retain citizenship of our own states, which is the greater power? At the moment because the EU is not a complete sate, it is our own countries, but it is clear that this situation is not immutable, and could easily be changed in the future.
If we vote yes to the EU Constitution it could well be argued that we agree to that as being the greater power, which would mean that the EU could at anytime override a state government because the EU would be looking after its own citizens, who had freely expressed their desire to be represented in the EU rather than in their own Parliament or by their own government.
If you look at the Constitution, when it comes to defining the power of the EU, it refers to the Constitution as the authority for its powers, it does not refer to the nation states as giving those powers nor does it recognise the nation state as the controlling influence of power. As the Constitution is an agreement between a state and its people, it seems to me that ratifying the EU Constitution is tantamount to accepting the EU as our country. I feel certain that the EJC will take that view if and when there is any question about the rights of member states.
It is clear that the EU with its own Constitution is a separate legal entity from the member states, because the Constitution makes it so. It is also clear the Constitution makes the member states subservient to the EU, its Constitution is the higher power, and its law is the higher power.
The EU Constitution, it does say that the member’s states give power to the Union to act for them; it also defines the areas of powers in which they will allow the Union to act. However when the member states have passed a power to the union it is then not in the province of the member states, but in the Union’s.
The member states and by extension the people have agreed to be bound by the Union in those matters, and have no option but to follow union rules and allow the Union’s own court to adjudicate on any disagreements.
There are some areas of competence the states have not passed to the Union these they have retained for themselves. Tax etc. or Tony Blair’s red lines, in each of these areas, they have not in fact retained the right of deciding these issues themselves, or rather they have not disallowed the Union from making proposals in those areas. What they have done is to retain a veto in these areas; this is a different thing all together. It does not prevent the Union making proposals or suggestions; it does however allow a member state to veto them if it wishes.
So in effect the EU has almost total power to make any proposal in any area of competence it wishes and the horse trading that goes on at the EU level would mean that anything we now accept as being in the power of our elected government could well be put into the pot during negotiations.
What is also important about this is that it can be clearly shown that the EU is making inroads into each of the areas of competence where a member state has retained a veto. The direction is clearly set that the EU will eventually have no member state veto to control its overall power of governing Europe.
Leaving the Union, at present, because Britain is sovereign and the EU is treaty based, we can create a law in our own parliament, which repeals the 1972 act of accession. If the Constitution is agreed especially after a referendum, we cannot, do that, in that instance we may ask! The EU if we can leave. The EU will decide and the EU will decide on the rules that they, will allow for the state to leave, the member state can have no part in these decisions. That much is clear; this is also an indication that the Constitution binds Britain to the Union as a subservient unit if Britain was a sovereign state it would not need to ask another institution for its permission to leave.
It is far, far better to understand the relevance of the Constitution and its effects on the direction of the EU, rather than to underplay the meaning of the decisions, we as a nation must take. To understand what a legal document actually says, and what it entails, is not scaremongering,.
The view that the EU is nothing more that a simple trading association, when it is in fact the embryo government of Europe, everything points to that fact. Has permeated the political life of Britain with lies and deceits, for over thirty years. It is that view which is now causing problems for our political class, in that the people no longer believe what our ministers of state tell them. It is a view which needs to be eradicated from British politics, so that we can start to build the trust we as a people must have in our leaders.
The people who would try to silence an opposing view, use any tactics at their disposal, it is not a simple matter of being given full and clear information and choosing what we as a nation want for our future but the attempt to manipulate people into an already decided course of action BY LIES AND DECITES THAT IS THE CASNCER IN OUR SOCITY.
This is clear by the government assertions the very thought of leaving the Union, is presented as casting Britain out in to the cold dark world, where we will loose 3.5 million jobs, loose any influence in the world, still have to comply to the rules of the EU, and become a third rate country. None of this is true, in any event we elect a government to rule Britain for a maximum of five years, for the benefit of the British people, this does not preclude the British people thorough their government from helping others less fortunate than us, nor does prevent our government making treaties with other states, but this should be done openly with clear information about the effects of any changes, and not conducted in darkened corners away from the view of the people, only thieves would work in that way.
Britain, must be honest about our future within the State of Europe, and stop this continual pretending that nothing important is happening. If the EU is so good for us, then those in favour must begin to really promote the positives that the EU brings to our people, and stop trying to undermine the opposing argument by underplaying the importance of the debate, or telling outright lies or misinterpreting the facts.



















