How EEOO Are You
My wife, having a rough idea about my interest in all things EU, mentioned that there was a political program she thought I would want to watch this evening, the title of the program was How Euro are you? At which point I opted not to waste my time, and decided to sleep through what ever she preferred to watch instead.
According to EU Referendum I made the right choice,: “I had never before marked down Andrew Marr, former BBC political editor, as a fool. But, at the very least, though, he displayed a monumental lack of judgement in allowing himself to be recruited by the BBC to host an unspeakably dire programme on the European Union tonight called How Euro are you?.
The tone of the programme was set by Marr’s co-host, Dara O’Briain, supposedly a “highly popular comedian in Ireland and has fast become a household name in the UK” a man, fortunately I had never heard of and do not wish to hear of again.
Hardly worth fisking, in fact, the programme was so utterly appalling that I stuck only 38 minutes of it before turning it off. But what came over loud and clear was what could only have been a deliberate policy decision of eliding the word Europe – a continent – with the European Union – a political construct. No one in the “game” can be unaware of the difference and it is a mark of the BBC’s inherent bias that it chooses to confuse the two.
Its other little trick was to suggest, slyly, that the greatest problem with the EU was its threat to our “national identity”, something which is the least of our worries – although listening to the BBC hacks and hackettes bleating about metres and kilometres sometimes makes you wonder if you are in a foreign land.â€
It is easily possible for democracy to exist at the supranational level. I am sure Chinese communists would love to invite some of these Euro skeptics to their nation to explain they should not become a democracy. Perhaps India should get rid of itls own government the Indians would be delignted to hear they are not really a democracy. I cannot understand why Euroskeptics put forward such utter drivel about democracy only being able to exist if you have the same language, nationality, race, hair colour, eye colour, accent, class, religion, opinions on every subject. In other words you can only be democracy if you have a nation of one. The population of Amercia is hunderds of millions. Why can’t the EU be a democracy. India is a democracy with huge numbers of laungages, and A BILLION people. Why on earth can we not have democracy in the EU, and don’t give me some drivel about how the state is too unaccoutbale that is just as likely as in a local council.
It is ironic that many Euro skeptics feel pride at their nations old undemocratic empires but claim a democractic state of the same size and same number of cultures is not possible. Ofcourse some issues can be contorlled more locally, But many issues such as currency, trade standards for safety, health, and workers rights, make more sense being decided by a democratically elected European or even world parliament. I think we should have basic rights decided by democratically elected leaders, so corporations cannot exploit us by playing nations of against eachother fo basic rights. The euro skeptics fail to remind us of the house of lords the European monarchies, or nations like Monaco, liechteinstein, which are not part of the EU but are not democracies. This democracty argument is a red herring to hide the cause of the skeptiocs bogoted bigorty to the EU. Tell me euroskeptics how much of a monculture, do you have to one state.
It is drivel to say the priogramme was biased the panel allowed hitchens to get away with the drivel that the UK is democratic and runds and the EU is not Just remind when did i vote for anyone to be in the house of lords or for our our head of state, or for NATO, the UN. And by the way EUROPEAN COMMINISSIONERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS OF EACH NATION. if that is unnaccountable then how unaccountbale does that makes the heads of our civil service.
The programme was baised, There two extreme nationalist euro spektics on and no one on the prgramme was allowed to give the extreme pro EU view. It was the jkustr nationslits versus the status quo. Hithcens got away time and time again with pretending to be the bastion of democracy well look at fox hunting and the house of lords, or the monarchy or how about our first past the posy system. The EU is more democrastic than the UK, What is the EU version of the house unelected lords. Democracy my UKIP, which by the way is funded mostly by Amercian NAZis. How do you feel about that.
So the programme was biased because it did not say that Europe is a dragon that wants to eat England. Or how about a giant octopuss. If only we all held your unbiased view. Why dont you go back to the unelected house of lords. or the the unelcted monarchy, or the unelected unaccoutable NATO.
“It is easily possible for democracy to exist at the supranational level.â€
Yes quite so, but the fact is, it is not, the first thing we need it to decide if we want to be part of a nation called The USE, when that has been democratically decided we can talk about how we make that nation democratic. Until then everything else is just window dressing.
“I cannot understand why Euroskeptics put forward such utter drivel about democracy only being able to exist if you have the same language, nationality, race, hair colour, eye colour, accent, class, religion, opinions on every subject. In other words you can only be democracy if you have a nation of one.â€
The word is Eusceptic the Euro is the currency, the rest of this is crap.
“But many issues such as currency, trade standards for safety, health, and workers rights, make more sense being decided by a democratically elected European or even world parliament.â€
That is a political view feel free to stand for election but do stop forcing your view down our throats without a democratic mandate.
“I think we should have basic rights decided by democratically elected leaders, so corporations cannot exploit us by playing nations of against each other for basic rights.â€
Basic rights are not and should never be are the hands of elected politicians because they are basic rights governments should be controlled by them not in control of them.
The House of Lords is part of a democratic system the ensures a division of powers, as is the Monarchy and the judiciary, so that a short term government may not overstep its powers and install a dictatorship. That is not to say the Lords cannot be elected under a different system or that we cannot dispense with a monarchy, as long as the power of government is balanced by a division of powers.
“This democracty argument is a red herring to hide the cause of the skeptiocs bogoted bigorty to the EU. Tell me euroskeptics how much of a monculture, do you have to one state.â€
This democracy argument is at the very heart of my objection to the internationalist agenda, OK let us have world government but it must be democratic, The EU is not a democratic system can you vote for or against particular policies No you cannot. The argument does not rest on a monoculture but a demos ie. We all feel that we are part of one nation whether that is Britain the EU or the World. This has nothing whatever to do with colour creed or religion.
The Heads of our civil service are accountable to our elected government the EU Commission is not once put in place they owe a duty to no one.
“no one on the programme was allowed to give the extreme pro EU view†Sir Stephen Wall is an arch supporter of the EU I am quite sure he was allowed a voice, The point about the program was that it was a dumbing down of the whole debate.
“Hithcens got away time and time again with pretending to be the bastion of democracy well look at fox hunting and the house of lords, or the monarchy or how about our first past the posy system. The EU is more democrastic than the UK, What is the EU version of the house unelected lords. Democracy my UKIP, which by the way is funded mostly by Amercian NAZis. How do you feel about that.â€
Exactly the point, the House of Lords is there to offer some control of the elected house, when you consider that this particular government only has the backing of 33% of the voters that should not mean and elected government can do anything they like. You are having a larf when you say the EU is democratic.
Offer proof please that UKIP is funded by American Nazis. How do I feel about it? I feel nothing because I am not a member of UKIP.
The first past the post system should not be dismised out of hand although I can see the benefits of a system of PR I can also see the some of the pitfalls one of which is that it places even more power in the hands of the political parties.
Is this the same anonomous who accuses us of being Socialists?
I would say that having an Europe wide, expansionist, corporatist, socialist, big govenment is something that Mr Fuhrer would approve of, as he was a socialist.
I’m proud to be right wing. When are the left going to appologise for Socialism and it’s basis slavery and inevitable mass-murder?
Rob Read
I belive it is a certain R Smith