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Why we do not need an English Parliament

The short answer is because the Labour party would loose influence over England because they would never gain a majority in an English Parliament. And it would make Westminster even more redundant that it already is, if that were possible.

But Helen Goodman decided to opt for the longer answer in her reply to a letter posted on Little Man in a Toque

The Government does not believe that it is necessary to establish a separate ‘English’ Parliament to balance the current devolution settlements in the United Kingdom as England is already the dominant partner and English interests are fully represented.

I believe this is somewhat evading the point the UK government speaks for the people of Britain the Welsh Parliament for the Welsh, the Scottish Parliament for the Scots, and the NI Parliament for the NI, no one speaks for the English.

Of course if English interests are fully represented in the British parliament then so too are the others, but they also have totally devolved matters which they decide in their own parliaments, whereas in England those matters are not devolved. The conclusion of that argument would be to dissolve the other regional parliaments, because those interests are represented in the British Parliament.

The Government accepts that the current devolution settlement is ‘asymmetrical’, in that it provides for separate and distinct representative bodies for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, but not for England. However, constitutions throughout the democratic world are similarly asymmetric, as the protections needed for minorities are not the same as those for a majority. The result of this arrangement is that there is greater ability for local decision-making and policy formulation at a localised level, hence the divergence in policy delivery across the countries.

I rather think that other constitutions are not relevant, that is a matter for them, we are interested in Britain and our constitution. Which used not to be unbalanced until the devolution process was stalled. Sorry the protections needed for minorities are not the same as for majorities? We are all British our protections are for the British. How does it protect the Scottish minority to separate their medical care from the rest of Britain? The result of this formulation is there is greater ability for local decision making except in England.

A fundamental principle of our constitution is that all MPs have equal rights in Parliament whether they represent English, Scottish or Welsh constituencies. The Government does not accept the proposal for English votes for English laws. To do so would be to create two distinct classes of MPs - those who could vote on all matters before the House, and those whose voting rights would be curtailed by virtue of constituency location. MPs play a representative role in considering legislation, considering the welfare of the UK as a whole, rather than narrow geographical interests, and it is right that all MPs continue to have equal voting rights on all matters before the UK Parliament.

But the devolution process has already broken the fundamental principal by creating two distinct classes of MPs – those that are accountable to their constituents and those who are not - in all devolved matters Scottish, Welsh and NI, MPs are not accountable to the English voters, yet they are voting on matters which do not affect their own constituents and only affect the English.

Well the last is not strictly true is it, on all devolved matter MPs are not considering the welfare of all the British but only the narrow geographical interests of the English.

The Government is also of the view that even matters which may appear confined too England may have an impact on the United Kingdom as a whole. For instance, the funding settlement with the nations and regions of the United Kingdom, means that what is decided on public funding in England affects Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. We believe these are national issues for the United Kingdom and should be debated at the national Parliament by all MPs representing the United Kingdom, not by subsets depending on the location of their constituency.

But Helen Goodman also believes that subsets depending on the location of their constituency can and should debate regional issues except England.

Helen Goodman ends with - I hope this has been helpful - it certainly has Helen it helped me to understand that you are playing with words.

The Scottish dominated Labour executive has created a fission in our community.

One which it seems quite happy to accept as a basis for a constitution, an imbalance in our system that will drive a deep wedge between our countrymen, whilst at the same time creating the impetus and vehicle for further erosion of our nation state, as the Scots and the Welsh use their devolved parliaments to further the cause of their nationalism and their independence and separation.

And what of the Government’s Green Paper, The Governance of Britain - the first step in a national debate on further constitutional reform!

Oh good even further constitutional reform, as if they had not already done enough damage.


What has this Scottish dominated government got to offer England - well nothing really - a strengthening of the regionalisation process that has already been rejected as being unacceptable to the English, and further dismantling England into 9 separate regions, now where have we heard that one before.

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By Ken
On March 23, 2008
At 5:38 pm
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March 25th, 2008 at 10:02 am

You missed out an option - simply remove the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs from Westminster and let Westminster become the English Parliament - the other Home Nations already treat it as such, so why not make it a reality?

Then, if the constituent nations of the UK decide they want to continue as a British Partnership of Nations, they can create a new Union, with a new Union Parliament, and in a location agreeable to all.

 
 
March 28th, 2008 at 7:53 am

The Government does not believe that it is necessary to establish a separate ‘English’ Parliament….as England is already the dominant partner and English interests are fully represented.

Dominant? How? English interests are fully represented? How?

The fact is the English nation has already decided that it wants it’s English parliament back, but EU new labour are desparately trying to stop this happening. Weasel Goodman words won’t cut it i’m afraid!
1)November 2006 - Ipsos Mori poll 68% want an English parliament.

2)January 2007 - bbc poll 61% want an English parliament.

3)April 2007 - ICM poll 67% want an English parliament.

If England is the dominant partner in the UK how come it does not have a parliament equal to the scottish parliament? England dominating scotland, wales and n ireland? How can it? It cannot even make legislation pertaining to England. Westminster is not the English parliament; it is the UK wide parliament. scots, welsh and n irish people can decide what happens in England; English people cannot decide what happens in scotland, wales and n ireland! How is that dominating? It isn’t!

Anyway, why does the English nation has to jump through other people’s hoops?

How come English cancer sufferers cant get the drugs they need?

How come English students have to pay more for their education than scottish students?

What about the Barnett formula? Why should the scots be subsidised by the English? Why should the scots get more money per head from the supposed UK exchequer than the English get per head?
What about the West Lothian question? What about scottish and welsh mp’s being able to interfere in England only legislation? If the English dominated then this would not happen.

It is obvious that England is not dominant within the Uk. It is obvious that England’s interests are not being looked after! It is in England’s interests to have a sovereign national parliament! This is obvious to everyone!

Making up reasons as you go along is not befitting of any govt! I liken new labour to Robert Mugabe’s govt in Zimbabwe. The only difference being that new labour can’t be quite as blatent as Mugabe’s henchmen! I feel this is somewhat of a shame as i’d like to have a little tet a tet! Of course as with 99.9% of things concerning Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and eu new labour it has a huge stinkin’ yellow streak running right through the middle of it.

 
 
April 1st, 2008 at 6:22 pm

I wrote to Gordon Brown about the feudal leasehold system that now only exists in England and Wales. The leasehold system was ended in Scotland three or four years ago. I also signed the petition from hundrends of thousands of leaseholders asking that this unfair system which leads to intimidation and almost downright robbery of people’s rights and property is still allowed in England.
The petition was refused saying that countries like Hawaii still had it. They haven’t, they, like the Scots, got rid of it.
There are 3,000,000 leaseholders in England and Wales, yet a Scottish prime minister and Scottish ministers in the cabinet refuse to rid the English of this disgraceful system, which their own constituents no longer have - and whiuch they promised to do something about when they were initially elected over ten years ago

 

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