I am having great difficulty understanding what has prompted these two leading anti-EU bloggers to launch a concerted attack on UKIP.
Today unfortunately we find that Autonomous Minds has withdrawn from the debate and stopped posting for now at least, we can only hope it is temporary.
The reason offered AM says it is unacceptable for anyone to point out the failing of UKIP over the last 13 years, it is unacceptable to point out that during that time UKIP has failed to advance either discussion or activity that moves the UK closer to withdrawal from the EU.
There lies my difficulty because as an ordinary bloke who wants out of the EU, I can see UKIP has advanced dramatically in the past 13 years, it is now probably the third party replacing the Lib Dems and does anyone actually think Cast Iron Dave would have offered a referendum without the UKIP snapping at his heels.
AM says “Anyone who fails the purity test and dares to challenge the party or its elders becomes the target for a barrage of intolerance. The aim is to silence the critic or better still destroy him.”
Tonight, along with others, Budgie and Peter S over on the UKIP comment thread on Raedwald’s blog have succeeded. I made a snap decision that enough is enough.
Both Eureferendum and Autonomous Mind are leading anti EU Bloggers, however they have now created a rift in the movement themselves. Ignoring the personal, attacks on Farage and Bloom, their substantive argument is UKIP is not offering a plan to get the country out of the EU. This they tell us is a failing that will cost the movement when it comes time for the referendum. However UKIP do have a plan just not one that suits Dr North! Who is right and who is wrong about article 50 and the difference between joining EFTA or not is a different question. Whether UKIP should get bogged down in such a question at this stage in the game is the point at issue here.
Again there can be no referendum unless the Tories win the next election outright, and according to today’s news Cameron is already planing a new coalition with the LibDems for after 2015 such an eventuality would put paid to any referendum idea.
So UKIP are being accused of not planning for something nebulous being offered by a very reluctant leader of the conservative party, they will be opposing in the elections, when the conservative leadership is already in discussion with the LibDems to form a coalition that would prevent a referendum in any case. Also we should not forget Cameron will not be offering the strait in out referendum which UKIP want he will be asking if we want to remain in the EU under a renegotiated settlement. It seems to me the bloggers have become so involved with the actual method of withdrawal and are missing the fact that we have not got there yet and to believe we have requires a great deal of trust in Cameron, who has already proved they are not worthy of that trust.
Bruce put much of it into context when he commented to Richard North on Autonomous Mind
“You and AM are great at stating, “Here’s what must be done to leave the EU”. You have failed to draw up a road map showing how each of these conditions might be achieved. Therefore, you have presented no practical alternative to UKIP.
You have done the easy part but have not delivered on the really important bit. UKIP are not yet in a position to deliver exit from the EU but they might be in a couple of years. That’s why we stick with them.”
From a purists point of view UKIP might be failing but at the same time they are succeeding electorally, that also seems to be a big problem as they are now being accused of deserting the high ground of the cause in favor of electoral gain. http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84265